Timeline for Push or just call on the turn with trips against an over-pair and you know it?
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| Jun 29, 2017 at 22:06 | history | edited | paparazzo | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 6, 2016 at 5:07 | comment | added | paparazzo | For the 6th time! Show a positive EV with 20 behind. Show a positive EV with anything behind. Enough rhetoric. Show your numbers. | |
| Jan 6, 2016 at 5:00 | comment | added | Dr.DrfbagIII | @frisbee If the stacks were 200 big blinds each, would you call pre flop? | |
| Jan 6, 2016 at 4:31 | comment | added | paparazzo | Enough discussion. For the 5th time post a positive EV for calling the pre flop raise putting the opponent on AA or KK. A fish is someone that thinks they can beat odds with perfect play. Really post the EV for the calling pre flop raise. | |
| Jan 6, 2016 at 0:45 | comment | added | Dr.DrfbagIII | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 22:26 | comment | added | paparazzo | @Dr.DrfbagIII And for the 4th time show me a positive EV. It is not over simplified - you just don't get it. If you look at river odds with rounds to come that is the BEST you can do. If you cannot make river odds then get away. You can only face more bets not hitting with round to come. Now if you look at NEXT round only then you can look at implied odds of extracting more but odds of getting 2 pair or better on the flop with that hand was 3%. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 22:07 | comment | added | Dr.DrfbagIII | @Frisbee My comments are in reference to your line "You were getting 1/2 the odds you needed and you were going to face more bets" implying that this is the reason why one should fold--I think that is oversimplified. People who read that could mistakenly generalize that the only factor to consider when faced with a 3-bet is your hand's straight-up probability of winning. A complete expected value estimation should be made using, among other factors, implied odds. If it's negative EV here, that's fine, but it wasn't entirely presented that way in your answer. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 21:53 | comment | added | paparazzo | @Dr.DrfbagIII Might? Show me a positive EV. You have everything - your hand, his hand, and chips behind. Really a fold to 3 bet is going to embolden the table to run over you. Again op got his dream hand, got it all in, and got stacked. It does not get worse than that. Lots of stuff might happen - sucesful poker is about playing the odd. Potential bluff? - what board is going to scare AA or KK off with only 2 pots behind and what is the chance of that board. OP got a scary flop and checked - there was a flush draw and a straight draw on that board. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 21:51 | history | edited | paparazzo | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 5, 2016 at 21:32 | history | edited | paparazzo | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 5, 2016 at 20:59 | comment | added | Dr.DrfbagIII | @Frisbee This might actually be a fold situation but all I'm saying is that's there's a little more to consider than simply pot-odds versus odds-of-winning, especially IF you have a firm idea of the opponent's range. Folding leaves you with 22.5 big blinds. Calling leaves you with 20 big blinds and the potential for more IF you truly know his range and play accordingly. The potential to bluff on a scary board could be worth something against the right opponent. Seeing you fold to such a small re-raise could embolden the rest of the table to try and run you over, etc. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 20:32 | comment | added | paparazzo | @Dr.DrfbagIII Really I put my opponent on AA KK and I am queen high, out of position, and less the double the pot behind and I am going to get the best of them by hitting a magic cards and get them to commit all of double the pot? OP got his dream hand, all in, and stacked. It does not get worse than that. You have the other factors - 20 behind - show me a positive EV. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 19:50 | comment | added | Dr.DrfbagIII | After assuming that the opponent has AA or KK, the decision whether to call the re-raise preflop begs consideration of factors other than just pot-odds versus odds-of-winning. "Assuming" he knows the opponent has either AA or KK, he can play perfectly postflop, benefitting from implied odds when his hand does hit good and getting out cheaply when it doesn't. Whether or not AA and KK is reasonable range is another question and whether he can actually fold a pair of queens when needed is yet another. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 19:10 | comment | added | paparazzo | No you were not likely to not see to not see bets on flop. You are very likely to get a continuation bet after he showed strength pre flop and in position. That flush draw is probably the only thing that slowed him down. So you were just plain not truthful about final table at a tournament? Just a table - still poorly played. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 18:43 | comment | added | Jonast92 | It was only 1 table to be fair and it's more about the timing and the position that made me put him on the hand he had and he's not a steal in position kind of player at this stage. But you're right that entering the pot was not the best decision but I was happy to check the flop this once and make decisions based on it, I felt that it would be likely that I'd be able to see 4 cards before further betting would be done and I was right about that in this specific case. Thank you for your input. | |
| Jan 5, 2016 at 18:40 | history | answered | paparazzo | CC BY-SA 3.0 |