# Raising with two pair in 5 card draw?

You are at an eight-handed table in 5 card draw. A tight player opens in first seat, and his reputation is that he would not open in that position with less than a pair of aces, or queens up. Several players fold behind him

You are in sixth position and have jacks up.You are considering raising the opener, and believe that the following two, reasonably tight players will fold to a raise unless they have a made hand (trips or better).

What are the chances of your jacks up holding against a presumed pair of aces? (If opener has queens up or better, you are already beat, unless you improve.)

You plan to discard one and draw to a full house, but of course, "queens up" also would have this option. Does this change the equation? (One person opined, what is your second pair, saving that he would raise if he might improve to "tens full of jacks" but fold if it were "sixes full of jacks," which he felt might lose to opponent's "x's full of aces.")

One more thing; you are also perceived as a tight player, and raising with jacks up is something of a bluff, because people believe that you have "higher" standards.

• I don't know enough about stud to give you an answer but I found this article which, maybe I'm wrong, explains the probability for stud well. I'm not a stud player so I'm not certain it'll help. Hope it is worthwhile for you. Read me!
– Grinch91
Commented Aug 27, 2015 at 14:30