Been playing poker long before online poker. Done very well in small tournies both locally and in Vegas. Moved onto the big pay sites years ago. Made money for sure but really never gambled enough to quantify the amount of time it took.

Now some of these sites were rigged and it was easy to tell within a few days (usually by me winning some ridiculous hands, being new to site). I don't want to name them because it is conjecture as I haven't been playing on them for a few years and they might have changed.

This leads me to the reason why I ask my question. I am bored in the airport and download the WSOP iphone app. Been playing for a few months off and on. For the past month have been logging certain hands - yes via spreadsheet.

My hand distribution is WAY off. But the thing I have seen that is even more off is the prescribed hands. There are several but two come up with the greatest frequency:

  • pair is flopped. If no one has said pair the frequency of finishing hands is basically normal/random. Mainly there are a normal amount of straights, flushes, and two pair. BUT if someone has a match to make trips... this is where it gets interesting. Flushes go through the roof, straights go up much higher too. (One of my main -winning- tactics is to call a slow playing trip if I am suited and I get one more on the flop. I have 38% chance when this should hold at a little more than 10%. Now if I get two suited on flop to go with mine I enjoy a 65% flush chance. Funny thing is with the 2 suit flop the chances of another player having the same suited pair sky rockets! So A2 suited becomes a great hand because it has a great chance of players going all-in.)

  • scenario two is the multiple pairs. I have seen QQ, KK, AA on the same hand 3 times in a day. One of those included 3 other sets of pairs at a 9 person table - so 6 players paired! This is hard to deal with because I have a hard time of raising much on KK.

So my point here isn't that WSOP is cheating people or whatever. It is just really apparent that the cards aren't random. It seems that they have some prescribed formulas to bump the action. Are there pay sites that use more sophisticated prescribed hands (not rigged), are there lists of sites with known rigged games, and if so does anyone have data on if there is any favoritism of players?

Edit: Since this was put on hold I will add more. I have no idea how this could be primarily opinion based. Either someone has a list with evidence and it is a good answer or there is nothing and it stays open. I fail to see how I am asking for any opinions on this question. Yes the comments may be full of conjecture/opinions but the Q/A should not be.

Further Edit: I have an additional 15k hands and I am not seeing anything different from the things noted above. However... I have one stat that I just honed in on. On all-ins with multiple players I had a variance of "-3%" vs. expected value. This was measured with over 1200 all-in, multiple players. This is a good 1 SD difference but within the realms of just a bad streak.

Now all-ins vs 1 player. Holy crap!! If I had an all-in with at least one card not showing I had an expected winning percentage of 69.6%. This is rather high because I am conservative and I usually will not go all-in preflop unless late in round and blinds are big. My all-in winning percentage vs 1 other player on over 1900 hands (with at least 1 card not showing) is 39.2%. There is nothing statistically possible about this. To make matters even worse my all-in vs 1 player with 1 card left was an expected win 84.5% of the time and I only win 53.6%. I would have to really do a deep dive into the stats but this points to a killer (rigged) river.

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    What evidence do you have that it's rigged? You're not recording every hand I assume, and I guarantee you if you put in a substantial volume, 250,000+ hands, and track every hand you'll find your frequencies are pretty spot on to the ideal mathematical probability. You get fluctuations of course because that's probability over the short term. Don't forget online you see much more hands per hour than live, so it might seem like you're getting worse beats in an hour.
    – Grinch91
    May 26 '16 at 11:39
  • I think it would take more "logging certain hands for a month via a spreadsheet" to come to any statistically significant conclusions. I don't see how it would benefit WSOP to rig deals. Darvin Moon got a nice run of cards at the 2009 World Series of Poker and I don't think that was rigged.
    – paparazzo
    May 26 '16 at 13:23
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    @Grinch91 - You are not getting it. It is not a real money site. You can buy chips but there is no cash out. So yes they want you to lose because you might buy "chips". If you don't lose you don't buy because you have chips. Also I disagree with your assumptions you are making about other sites too. You can certainly prescribe hands without pissing off the regulars - especially if the regulars figure it out.
    – blankip
    May 26 '16 at 19:52
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    I don't see the point to the question either. I don't buy your assertion they do it nor your reasons why they might do it.
    – paparazzo
    May 27 '16 at 6:15
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    One last comment from me, but there is literally 0 evidence, and lets not forget that poker is now regulated online, (I'm aware only in a few places state side). Every aspect of their operations is under regulation to ensure a fair game. Prescribed hands goes directly against a fair game...Forget about an argument of loyal players or anything to do with the players, lets look at it from a business side. By them potentially prescribing hands they're risking their entire business. I've worked for WSOP, I can tell you they like their paperwork and following regulations to a T. It makes no sense
    – Grinch91
    May 27 '16 at 9:28

Go to hhsmithy.com Buy 1 billion hands of the site you think is rigged. Do this to gather real evidence regarding what you are talking about. Then start winning with all the info you have!

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