I played spin and go at Poker Stars - 1 and 3 dollar games. Won 7 out of 10 with a sensible and cautious approach. Then I lost 24 out of 25 games with same stakes and same approach. No tilting, just bad luck or what?

  • Define lost. You got to show down and lost 24 of 25? – paparazzo Oct 19 '16 at 17:13
  • It is a 3-handed tournament with 500 chips. 60% of the games end with heads-up with me and opponent. So one win, 10 number 3 and 14 number 2. – Anders Schmidt Oct 19 '16 at 18:57
  • Does not add much clarity for me. You should update the question. Still VTC but it take 5 so it will probably not get closed. It is called a hand. Don't see how you could lose 24 of 25 and still have a stack. – paparazzo Oct 19 '16 at 19:03
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    I feel like this has the potential to be a good question about the Spin&Go format, and I think Wyatt's answer is good. @AndersSchmidt It would be great if maybe you could edit the question or add to it to make the question less about a rant/bad-beat symphony, but rather about something like correct approach to the Spin&Go format, or some advice on dealing with Variance. For now I don't want to close it, but right now it's not very clear what the question is/comes across as a venting thread. – Grinch91 Oct 20 '16 at 9:12
  • I have played micro-stake cash games (NLHE and PLO) for several years without much success. Thats OK, just shows that I am not a poker wizard. The started playing spin and go - low stake - and won consistently over a month or two playing with odds on my side. And then - out of nowhere - I begin losing allin decisive pots. High pair lose to low pair; born straight lose to runner runner flush; high pair lose to higher pair at river. 24 out of 25 games in a row! BTW i once had to royal flushes in two consecutive hands. Two examples of variance that are not of this world - or are they just normal? – Anders Schmidt Oct 20 '16 at 18:15

You've only played 35 games, you're not even close to having a big enough sample size to define a win rate or anything like that. One thing worries me about your post.... You worry about luck. The more you concentrate on luck, the less likely you will be to see the game for what it really is. One hand at a time. Make the best decision you possible can every time it's on you to act and you'll be a winning player.

I feel many people post something like this because they're upset they lost money in they're session. Don't do that, there are always swings in poker....

One other thing, you asked if it's a "rigged game".... In no way shape or form are you questioning your own play anywhere in this post. What if you didn't play very well and that's why you're not winning as much as you like? You can't tell me you played every spot perfect. Get rid of your ego, study as much as you can, and just play. If you do that, maybe you have a chance at making good money at this game.

I'm gonna be honest with you, just by the way you spoke in your original post I can tell you will never make money if you continue to think the way you do now.

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    Wise words, thank you. I will keep them in mind. But I can't help being irritated of losing some 8 games in row, being a 85:15 favourite before the river. I dont chase luck, I chase favorable pot odds and expect that common probability calculations also apply to my hands :-) – Anders Schmidt Oct 19 '16 at 22:22
  • @AndersSchmidt You were 85:15 8 games in a row? Again it is hand not a game. Opponent had 15 out in a deck of 100 cards. What game are you playing? I get there a be nice policy so I will stop. – paparazzo Oct 19 '16 at 23:25
  • No. He was trying to tell us that he was an 85% favorite before the river, 8 games in a row and lost. I find that hard to believe tho. – Wyatt Shuler Oct 19 '16 at 23:28
  • Nevertheless it is true – Anders Schmidt Oct 20 '16 at 15:35
  • @AndersSchmidt Really you were 85% 8 hands in a row and lost them all. The chance of that is one in 3,477,590. 85% is up against 7 outer. Not many 7 outer hands. That is even more rare. Either the game is rigged or you recollection is skewed. – paparazzo Oct 20 '16 at 23:56

So in total you played 35 games and won 8 of them . thats just normal variance ... Spin and Gos are High Variance so 35 games is no sample size , I play alot HU Hyper Turbo Sngs with a ROI of 2% . and it s totaly normal that you lose 20 games in a row . If you compare Spin & Go s to Hyper HU Sngs , it s much more likely to lose 20games in a row by playing Spin &Go s . Thats why you should use a BRM of 500Buyins+ for playing Spin and Go s . GL at the tables.

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