6 handed 1/2 cash
All around 100 bb but bb at 30

Hero in CO with T♠ 8♠

UTG open for 4 bb with one caller, I call, btn fold, sb fold, bb calls.

I am lovin it.

Pot is 17 bb
A♠ J⋄ 7⋄ which is semi good for me
check, 9 bb, call, fold (me)

If I give myself 1 out for runner runner spade and 1/2 for runner nut straight I have 6 outs. I am 1/7.5 but I am not likely to pick up 70 bb if I hit. Felt like I need at least 8 outs to make the call.

Should I have called?

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I think that calling here would be the worst play and I agree with your reasoning. Additionally, one of your outs (9 of diamonds) either helps another player out even more or else kills your potential action.

I would say however that although folding is fine here, raising would be better than calling if you were to play on (although I'd like it much more with slightly deeper stacks). In fact, when you mix in some speculative hands like suited one-gappers, your bluffing frequency with them should go up to make them profitable and this is a prime spot: you have some outs, the pot already has at least some value, you show a lot of strength with a legitimate range of strong hand possibilities, and you're in position. If re-raised, you could safely fold, and if just called, you have a couple options on the turn depending on what falls.

  • I would need to bet at least 1/3 my stack to put fold pressure on the 9 bb so it would be on a push. I don't really mind that part of it as I get 2 more cards. Problem here is I cannot rep JJ+ or AK diamonds. UTG is likely has a big pair at this point. If there was another spade things would be different.
    – paparazzo
    Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 14:45
  • I agree about the raise size being a little weird in this particular spot which is why deeper stacks would be better (or if UTG's bet was a little smaller). You could be believably repping 77, AJ, or Ax of diamonds, though and it would be difficult for the others to continue with anything less than AK or a strong draw. Commented Aug 17, 2017 at 15:17
  • I also had a runner runner nut straight draw. I might have had enough out to push.
    – paparazzo
    Commented Aug 21, 2017 at 17:40

I think pre-flop the call is generally bad, but if the table was loose-passive pre-flop, but tight-passive post then it could be good.

As for the flop call, again depends on your opponent.

For arguments sake let's say their range pre-flop is 99+, AJ+, KJs, KQo

Another assumption I will make is that the opponent will check-fold any non-ace / non-set hand on the turn, but will show-down with any ace or set.

In this case they'll hit the flop around 40% of the time. If we boost this up to about 50% for the turn then it is marginally bad to float, except for the times when we get to stack our opponent.

The equity of this alone is approximately:

0.08 * 0.5 * 85 = +3.4BB

E.g. the value of calling to hit a 9 on the turn for when they have a made hand is worth 3.4 big blinds

In a nutshell if you think your opponent would have a stronger range than that outlined or if they are "sticky" (float plays generally don't work on them) then it's a bad call.

Otherwise, it's a good call!

  • Show down with any ace or set? They would show down with any ace but not 2 pr?
    – paparazzo
    Commented Aug 21, 2017 at 19:50
  • I don't get tight-passive post.
    – paparazzo
    Commented Aug 21, 2017 at 20:00
  • With the range given they wouldn't have two-pair on that board without an ace. By tight-passive post I mean post-flop they are unlikely to raise (except the river) and would check-fold if they missed, or would fire one C-Bet and then give up.
    – user4555
    Commented Aug 21, 2017 at 20:08
  • You said show down and KJs, KQo is in their range. You are hard for me to understand.
    – paparazzo
    Commented Aug 21, 2017 at 20:16
  • I said: "will show-down with any ace or set."
    – user4555
    Commented Aug 21, 2017 at 20:55

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