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Say you are playing 7♥ 8♥ in position and call a min raise pre.

Flop comes up Q♥ 7⋄ 6♣

On the flop villain bets 1/2 the pot. How do you play it out?

Both deep stacked.

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I think implied odds are the main focus of this hand, at least some of the time the pre-flop raiser is c-betting with absolutely nothing so there is immediate odds. Calling the half pot bet on the flop is something I would do most of the time depending on the player. Even if the pre-flop raiser has a hand like top pair or a pocket pair, there is a pretty good chance my hand will improve, so calling the flop would pay off in the long run. I would avoid calling something like this if there is a lot of action on the flop and the flop is multi-way, if that is the case then the chances of having the best hand are very slim.

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  • What makes you believe you are not getting immediate odds to call here?
    – paparazzo
    Mar 20, 2018 at 19:35
  • I would be, but if not there is good implied odds as well. Could be clearer i will edit
    – Clarko
    Mar 20, 2018 at 20:11
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I will not accept my own answer. I was curios about running the numbers.

Pre

I am good with calling with a speculative hand like this. Would actually like more players in the pot.

Flop
Bottom pair is better than nothing but not great. Back door straight and flush draws. Villain could be on any ace, two overs, and 22-TT. JJ+ probably would have raised more pre. Even if you put 7 in his range the worse case scenario 99-22, A2s+, K7s+,Q7s+, J7s+, T9s, A2o+,K7o+, Q7o+, J7o+ you are 65:35. I was surprised it was that high. It kind of makes this a less interesting question. Over 1/2 the time you are ahead here and with so many ways to improve almost don't mind if villain has pair of queens to get paid off. 5 immediate outs. And 23 outs to fill in the back door draws. Pretty clear call. I don't see raise here.

Turn
Even if I don't improve on the turn I would call up to 1/2 pot.

If like the 9 hearts came up to give both draws I think I would raise back a pot to either take it down or build a pot.

River
If I miss and they bet 1/2 pot again on the river I think I need to let it go. If I hit 2 pr I think I just call. Trips or better then raise like the pot again.

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